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Natalie
Mar 8, 2010 16:21:37 GMT -5
Post by Julie Chen on Mar 8, 2010 16:21:37 GMT -5
Here Natalie will ask her question or make her statements to the final 2
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Natalie
Mar 8, 2010 22:45:21 GMT -5
Post by Natalie Cunial on Mar 8, 2010 22:45:21 GMT -5
Congrats to final two, I'm glad to have worked with both of you in varying degrees throughout the game. If we were to look at this season and think about how the episodes will come out and what stories of triumph and gameplay come through, I think both of you provided compelling stories, but I think one of you peaked way too quickly in the first few weeks and fell to the wayside while the other slowly built up as a character and provided a protagonist in the story when none really existed before. In a way, a hero vs. villain edit. I hope that the ending of this story provides the best emotional impact based on the stories that you have presented for yourself. Also, titties. As such, my questions are simple. Jen, right after you who would be the second-most weaselly player in the game? Jen it's clear that you had several alliances in the game, including several "friendships" as well that you had for months before the game started that you rode to the finals. In fact, you made a bold move in getting me out the door, which strategically was very sound and intelligent. But at the same time, I told you at that moment that you lost several jury votes in doing so. In fact, you took one of the jury votes you lost to final two with you. So in a way, you manipulated a friend to taking you to the end and guilted her just because you knew that it was your bargaining chip even though to you screwing over a month-long friendship was worth more (according to your recent "flirty domination" cheerleading squad queeforama). And now you're telling her that you would've evicted her and you wouldn't have honored "your friendship" and your "reconciliatory reach" toward her. So then, within that context (just so people know the real truth about why sharon took jen), who was the second-most weaselly player in the game because I think it's clear to everyone that screwing over a month long friend would've been worth a win to you in the end? Sharon, you played the underdog in the final act of this game and fought against all odds to not only win challenges to get here, but you also talked to key figures to get you where you are right now. So then why did you lay back and let Jen be the huge dominating force that she was in the first part?
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Post by Producer on Mar 9, 2010 0:12:00 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO! *votes for Natalie as fav juror*
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Post by Jen Johnson on Mar 9, 2010 3:08:39 GMT -5
Ok, before i answer i need to asses some things you have said.
'But I think one of you peaked way too quickly in the first few weeks and fell to the wayside'
I was winning competition and dominating this game well up to week 9 and ever since then i had come second in almost every competition, i never peaked in this game, my gameplay was consistent and only slipped up when Jessica was forced to nominate one of her alliance. Also, who got themselves vetoed at Final 4? Oh yeah me, someone who was falling to the wayside couldn't possibly have pulled of this move right? mmhm.
'Including several "friendships" as well that you had for months before the game started that you rode to the finals'
Rode? Um please, you could have put me and the flirty's up at any time, but you chose not to, that is no one fault but yours. When Chima was up you all wanted to evict her, i talked to you guys about it and you changed your minds, if anything you were following what i said. I love Sharon but big moves she made in this game compared to me? I can't think of one.
'I told you at that moment that you lost several jury votes in doing so. In fact, you took one of the jury votes you lost to final two with you'
I see you will be voting personally then? Hate the player, not the game. Also, Sharon took me, not the other way round.
'And now you're telling her that you would've evicted her and you wouldn't have honored "your friendship" and your "reconciliatory reach" toward her'
I had made a final 2 deal with Chima sometime in week 3, keeping my word was the most important thing in this game, but at the same time Sharon and i have grown close in this game. Had it come down to it, the choice would have been a friendship or alliance one, one which would have been incredibly hard for me to make.
So who is the second-most weaselly player in the game? First off, thanks for seeing i played the game to the full, i hope you will be voting for the best gameplayer in the end. Second most 'weaselly' hmmm I'd have to say Chima, not in a bad way, but she was my #1 in this game, we spent a lot of timing plotting and talking gameplay, she was the person i needed in this game to run ideas past and gave me the drive to win all those competition, so i guess her.
I just hope in the end you vote on gameplay, but i think it obvious you are going to be voting due to your close friendship with Sharon, but i just ask you to vote on the game.
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Post by Sharon Obermueller on Mar 9, 2010 8:47:44 GMT -5
No big moves? Yea taking out the flirty clique so wasn't a big move
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Post by Natalie Cunial on Mar 9, 2010 8:52:18 GMT -5
Sharon answer your question too
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Post by Sharon Obermueller on Mar 9, 2010 9:10:39 GMT -5
Hi Naughty Natty Well I didn't just lay back at the start , I was still trying-hence my HOH in week 4. I didn't want to win too much though as would make me a target. Look at Jen, so many people wanted her out. I didn't want a even bigger target on my back. But when was needed I played my best and won HOH and POV to keep me in the game. Since you went I have just been winning and winning, think cause I was playing for you heh. I think I would have won that POV when me and you were nommed, cause as we know endurance is my comp, but cause can't go on slop not partaking was my punishment So yea when I needed it the most I won HOH and POV, survived the last few weeks alone, took out 2 flirties and won final HOH. and Jen says I done nothing :') aw
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Post by Natalie Cunial on Mar 9, 2010 9:41:30 GMT -5
Thx Shazza. I want to follow-up on these responses because it bothers me. This language is telling me that your slip up occurred when Jessica was forced to nominate one of the alliance...well if you were as consistent a player as you say you were, you could've just won that veto right and it never would've been an issue? So you say you dominated the game with competitions - but yet your one slip up is when you lost competitions? Honestly, it sounds like a weak answer for when your first slip-up is. Oh, you knew WELL in advance I was putting up Chima but all you could do was . If you really didn't want her to go up that week, you could have tried, but you moped and hoped that no one would notice that you failed to convince me to try anything. And Chima was my target that week. Jase was the pawn (of course not for you though). But you whined and moaned and told me and threatened me to put up Steven up even though you knew that Steven and I were having secret massage sessions and he was someone I would've wanted to have saved. Also being a good player is being able to recognize when others do well. You sound quite selfish now. Good friendship you honored I see. Point taken. I hate you. This is the statement that hurts me the most, because Jen, I do think you're a smart player, but statements like this make me worry. You said you're a consistent player, but I don't feel like a consistent player would be this weaselly and still fail to put a definitive statement on what you would've done at F3 which is still hours ago. Flippity floppity are your words, and that shows that you still fail to be confident in your end gameplay - but yet you can be so overconfident in your early gameplay. Sharon made a choice, stuck with it and seems confident about her choice. You still flip flop and haven't given us the answers we really want about what you would've done at F3. But most of all it worries me, because if I were Chima or Jess, I would worry that you even admitted that you made a F2 (even one you never meant to honour) with Sharon. Because if your deal with Chima was so good that you made in week 3, you would've never had to even approach Sharon. And if I were Jess, I'd have to wonder what you did at F4 to get vetoed. Because for all this flirty clique rah rah rah going on - it seemed that Jen still thinks of herself as head cheerio and not as a part of a team. Well the way you talked about Chima, sounds like you would've voted her no matter who would've made F2. And for me, Sharon was the Chima for me. So Jen, unless you can say definitively that there's a chance that I could've won your vote over Chima in F2 - then don't look at my hypocritically if I understand Sharon's gameplay better. Sound good, hun?
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 11:58:41 GMT -5
Post by Jen Johnson on Mar 9, 2010 11:58:41 GMT -5
Ok let's look at this again, i like it Point 1 - POV's were never my strong point, i was, as one of my HoH password stated 'jenhohqueen' :') I didn't want to take ALL the wins, so HoH was were i put my skill. Point 2 - Chima going up didn't bother me. At that point in the game i was playing both sides, i didn't want to out and out spell my F2 deal with her to you and cut all my ties then. Threaten you? Ok w/e you could have done what you like with the re-nom i guess i just played you and got you to do what i wanted, leading to your next point. Me, Selfish? In this game, 100%, how many winners are there? 1, yup only 1 person can win, of course i made moves to protect myself only in this game, hence my Final 2 deal with Sharon this week, i needed something to get me to the final 2 should i have not won the last week HoH, and guess what? It worked. Point 3 - This was written at like 8AM, my bad, should be the other way round. Point 4 - I would have evicted Sharon. The only thing stopping me was my friendship to her, this game has brought us so much closer than we were before and i wouldn't change anything about it. But this is a game, i would have had to play as much as i would have hated to evict her, i would have, i am just glad i never had to. As to getting myself vetoed at final 4, i posted in my DR and Julie applauded my skills and you'll see it all in the episode's, hopefully. 'head cheerio' of the Flirty's? Absolutely, who won 5 HoH's within this game? I had to make the decisions, but i ALWAYS consulted Chima and Jess on every decision i made, i propelled this alliance to the final 4 and couldn't have done it without them 2. But yes i was selfish and wanted to win, i have no qualms about saying that. Point 5 - Sharon V Chima in the Final 2 i would have voted Chima. Here's why. Since your eviction Sharon has been turning you for decisions and advice, you even helped in the competitions, something i think people should know. Chima played this game well not relying on evicted players. She was the Natalie of BB11 this game, failed at comps but made up for it with her gameplay. To end, i have no hard feelings towards you in this game, you might be pissed i evicted you, but it was a move i had to make, if you want to talk outside of the game to me i will be more than willing, you are a player i respected in this game and don't want to end this on a sour note.
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 12:05:54 GMT -5
Post by Jen Johnson on Mar 9, 2010 12:05:54 GMT -5
No big moves? Yea taking out the flirty clique so wasn't a big move I'm not saying it wasn't, just in comparison to moves i made, for example, backdooring Eric week 2, taking Jase out week 7 and getting Natalie evicted week 9.
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 12:08:42 GMT -5
Post by Sharon Obermueller on Mar 9, 2010 12:08:42 GMT -5
again
« Reply #58 Yesterday at 4:11pm » Week 12
As you 2 have gone away for a romantic weekend together it has given me time to re-think my move in this game should i win final HoH. I have been dead set on booting Sharon into third, but she is a real good friend of mine off site, gameplay wise it might be dumb to keep her, but she deserves final 2 way more than Chima. Chima has won ONE competition this whole game and has been carried by myself, Sharon has played this game well and if i won over Sharon i would feel like a lot better player than an almost certain win over Chima. Taking Sharon might not the smartest move, but i'm starting to think it's the best one for me.
So contradicting, so two days ago Chima didn't even deserve final and you say you carried her all the way and you say if you won against her wouldn't be that good cause she didn't play well
but today she is a better gameplayer than me and deserve it more? hm k
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 12:15:02 GMT -5
Post by Jen Johnson on Mar 9, 2010 12:15:02 GMT -5
As i said before, that was my like 100th decision change. And as we are going down that route.
*steps centre stage, clears throat*
Sharon lied about having epilepsy just to get off the slop background.
OH SNAP
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 12:18:21 GMT -5
Post by Sharon Obermueller on Mar 9, 2010 12:18:21 GMT -5
I can understand changing decision on who to evict
but just totally changing mind on who played better game in 24 hours? That I don't understand
ttyn, my eyes hurt
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 12:21:33 GMT -5
Post by Jen Johnson on Mar 9, 2010 12:21:33 GMT -5
My eyes too, bad Natalie!
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Natalie
Mar 9, 2010 13:31:55 GMT -5
Post by Producer on Mar 9, 2010 13:31:55 GMT -5
Sharon lied about having epilepsy just to get off the slop background. Even if she did, it only hurt her in the long run. IMO, not being able to play in the veto is a worse punishment than having to endure the slop background.
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